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 Subject :'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental assaul.. 28 05 2010 22:27 
Bernhard
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Subject :'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental assault?

Face it... there are numerous ways to abuse the patient, and one that I find more noticeable is when nurses are paid to be at work, looking after their patient, yet the nurses use every opportunity to get on the phone during their 'paid' hours to ring friends and family, and sometimes for an hour or more at a time. Night shift is obviously the most prevalent time for this event, but can also occur in the 'quieter' periods on an evening shift.

In reality, there is never any 'quieter period on an evening or a night shift, as there is always something to be done that would actulally benefit the patient or the employer more, and thus the health care system.

These obtrusive phone calls are obnoxious and should be dealt with as fraud, as the nurses are defrauding their employer, and thus the system. 711a1.jpeg_thumb

Calls in the event of an emergency I feel are acceptable, but not the regular calls that certain people ( admit it! - you all must know someone who does this! ) make.

Business calls to organise staffing is also excluded from the hit list, or accessing mobiles for educational data.

The time these people spend on these unauthorised calls are time taken away from caring for their patients, thus is an act of abuse, in that they are NOT delivering care they could be delivering. They could make the patient more comfortable, by repositioning, face wash, oral care, back massage.  They could tidy the area, make it safer, cleaner, and even help the next shift.

Personal calls of an ordinary nature are what tea-breaks are for.

What think you?

 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 29 05 2010 18:16 
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Agree with u on this,it is 'open-slattthhher'in many areas.

First time I did a face wash 6.30-7AM the Pts could not believe it was happening.It was my 1st time @ this Ward..they loved it.

Adjust pillows,move covers up on them;get a warm blanket for them--under the sheet and see just how fast they gain sleep and 'thanks nurse'don't leave this Ward!

Mobiles: Yep at the start of all shifts the NUM or Team Leader should request them to be totally turned off,left in a secure place..get it @ tea times...how can u be doing a dressing and hv ur m/phn go off?

 Help ur RN too 'draw-up ABS' u learn..it hepls the Pt..ur Team gains

 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 31 05 2010 14:55 
Bernhard
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Thanks for reminding me of this one, kbw.... Almost forgot that even now, patients still comment when I wash them ( or when a lady has used a pan and I give her a face washer and a bowl afterwards) ... that 'no-one else seems to do that!'. I do know some do, but definitely in the minority now. Often get to work only to find patients eating lunch, with either a urinal (used) on the edge of the same bedtable!, or a bedpan beside them. Not even the domestic staff are informed today to comment to the 'charge nurse' about this health issue. Add to this the fact that patients seem to think nothing wrong with it, and there's a big hole in 'care' delivery.
 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 12 06 2010 14:45 
shoils
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I agree with you 100% I find it rude, slack and down right in breech of their employment terms and conditions. I consider it a disciplinary offence.

In our building we don't get any reception with our mobiles so that takes care of staff bringing their mobiles with them on to the floor. But I have caught many staff sitting on the phone chatting away on the evening shift whn things are "quiet". What quiet??? I have told my staff if you have done everything and there is nothing left for you to do then I will cut the hours of the shift or take one nurse off the shift ( watch them get up and find something to do) There is always something to do. There are residents to toilet, take for a walk, reposition, talk to, give a hand or foot massage to. Get off you butt and work!! :)

 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 17 06 2010 22:23 
Foxylass
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We never get such quiet moments in our area. I can count on one hand the amount of times our unit has been almost empty and too many staff rostered on. It happens because lots of patients were discharged to wards. after ensuring there is nothing to do and stating to all that you are free to assist with anything they wish we usually read our emails. No not personal ones - work memo ones. They update us about policy and procedure changes; critical incidents etc. There are always so many after you have been on days off. I always try to close the doors of single rooms to ensure patients get the most rest possible. I remind other RNs to speak more quietly if they are too boisterous. ICU is a noisy and busy environment and the patients often do not get rest. Too me that is abusive.

 

As for mobiles in our unit we really don't make calls on the floor and those of us who have smart phones use the medical apps and calculator on them. I switch my phone to silent so I can see the number on the screen and if it is important ,excuse myself and call the number back from the tea room. I am tough on parents using phones at the bedside as it is not appropriate at all. They can go outside the unit and still make any non-essential calls and go through our switch board using the bedside phones for essential calls.

 

I used to despise doing agency midwifery and trying to educate a new young mother about caring for her newborn while she kept answering non-essential "girlfriend/gossip" calls like some fool teenager. I think post-natal depression has risen since women were permitted to use mobiles at the bedside. They learn absolutely nothing during the brief time they are in hospital; get home with this alien creature who cries and then they fall apart. It is more prevalent with social C/S in the private hospital system. It is rude to take a call whilst a midwife is attempting to teach you post-natal care.

 Subject :Re:Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental .. 18 06 2010 12:56 
IronMaiden
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[shoils 12 06 2010 16:45]:

I agree with you 100% I find it rude, slack and down right in breech of their employment terms and conditions. I consider it a disciplinary offence.

In our building we don't get any reception with our mobiles so that takes care of staff bringing their mobiles with them on to the floor. But I have caught many staff sitting on the phone chatting away on the evening shift whn things are "quiet". What quiet??? I have told my staff if you have done everything and there is nothing left for you to do then I will cut the hours of the shift or take one nurse off the shift ( watch them get up and find something to do) There is always something to do. There are residents to toilet, take for a walk, reposition, talk to, give a hand or foot massage to. Get off you butt and work!! :)

 

And you are a manager who is a "friend" not a "foe"?  What about staff who might be saying a quick goodnight to their children who will be in bed when they get home?  Or answering a homework question, or reassuring an anxious elderly parent?  And then there is the lack of consideration for all those times when staff have worked through their breaks in a crisis or worked harder because they were short staffed and you are not prepared to cut them a little slack.  As far as I can see it all goes management/the facilitiy's way and the staff can go jump.

 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 18 06 2010 22:20 
Bernhard
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Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental assault?

You can say goodnight, but go to the tearoom. What I meant is when staff get on their phones, and chat incessantly for an hour. These are 'permanent' staff! I work agency, and have told the Team leader I'd be warning her, as the infusion pumps were going off in her room (only one patient!) yet she ignored them till I asked her if she was deaf. The T/L told me that complaints went nowhere so they don't bother. Basically, these people are a parasite on the rest of the staff.
 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 19 06 2010 10:34 
IronMaiden
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Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental assault?

I understand what you are saying Bernhard. Everyone should pull their weight. However I think there has to be a little leeway here and there because *NEWSFLAS* nurses are human beings. Even if they are expected to work like machines without the maintenance a machine gets. How many times do we work through breaks or stay back to complete tasks or paperwork with no reward? How many of our managers acknowledge our hard work and going beyond the call of duty? How many managers acknowledge or even know our birthday? How many workplaces offer a hand or foot rub for our poor aching body parts? I know the answer - none. So that is why shoils' response up there enraged me.
 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 24 10 2010 15:17 
Mandyd
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I agree Iron Maiden my workplace does not get mobile coverage and sometimes i start work at 0700 when my 4 children are still asleep if i do an extra shift when i return home my children are in bed if i want to say goodnight or even hello how was your day i have to do it from the nurses station i dont think it is reasonable for people to judge us for having a family and wanting a career as well..
 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 25 10 2010 12:57 
IronMaiden
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Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental assault?

Oh Mandyd, how dare you behave like a human being with a life and responsibilities outside the workplace? You are a robot and you must do ask you are told. Honestly, I can't believe that nursing is a career for adults.
 Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental ass.. 25 10 2010 14:05 
Bernhard
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Subject :Re:'Abuse' of patients includes more than just physical and mental assault?

The old 'matrons' at 2 hospitals I worked in the 70's, knew your birthdays, and the names and medical status of any family members. If a nurse was admitted at all....any nurse at all..... that nurse got a single room, and was visited daily by the 'matron'. In addition, only senior staff attended them. Etiquette? But any female nurse who dared to marry, or worse....get pregnant! ....was hunted and discriminated against. wonderful times!?
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